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HuntMaster Avatar · Jan 12, 2008, 05:16 PM // 17:16

i am sorry you were banned, but this is a good lesson. find a game that you can play offline and online and don't bother with games like mmo's because in the end its not really worth the trouble.

the only reason i still play is because i'v spent so much time developing my character and i still like a few things in the game. but honestly, mmo's are not my thing.

well in california where i live tons of lawyers get payed only if they win.

yup, exactly. if anet wants to cheat, they can cause its their game. exactly what i said with differant wording. but its still cheating.

-Sonata- · Jan 12, 2008, 05:21 PM // 17:21

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Originally Posted by Shanaeri Rynale

Sounds like a great approach Sonata. We really need something like this either in the support forms, or maybe in the report command.

E.g /report Exploit. then all the above are auto filled in.

Agreed. Even more helpful would be that if a player checks the box for reporting an exploit, the moment that box is checked, it directs you to your web browser (Like the f10 wiki), to which there is a provided Form a player can fill out with specific fields. Character name and/or username, email so you can be contacted, current location, current time, date, Description box, attachment field for screenshots.

Perhaps I should make an actual rough draft and post it in the suggestions. Here wouldn't be wise. I would take the thread completely off topic. Well, more than I have already heh.

Antheus · Jan 12, 2008, 05:21 PM // 17:21

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This will be both my first, last, and only comment on this matter. I have seen from previous posts, it doesn’t seem to matter what the truth is, people have already made up their minds on what to believe in this matter. Everything I have said has been completely truthful, it is your choice to believe it or continue to listen to the lies.

I've seen people in this thread going from "I only visited the outpost once, didn't know and am completely innocent" to stating they only did the run 10,20 times only two pages later.

Right now, all these innocent people have proven consistently to be lying about how much they really exploited. So far, Anet's stance about who received the ban has proven to be consistent.

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A close friend of mine who had a character on an alternate account saved to the town, that never even did the mission once, had their account banned.

Never? As in never, or only as in 20 times? Just like all those other incorrectly banned players?

Read through the thread. Everyone who claimed they never exploited it, turned out to have used it to run the mission repeatedly.

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It is absolutely despicable that a formal apology has not been issued for those who have had both their online and real life character defamed by the lies that have been posted about us

No lies so far. Everything in this thread is perfectly consistent with Anet's claims.

And... defamation? Of in-game character?

Bryant Again · Jan 12, 2008, 05:22 PM // 17:22

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Originally Posted by HuntMaster Avatar

yup, exactly. if anet wants to cheat, they can cause its their game. exactly what i said with differant wording. but its still cheating.

Yes, they can "cheat" if they want to. Is this a bad thing?

SirJackassIII · Jan 12, 2008, 05:29 PM // 17:29

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Originally Posted by Banned was Erin

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1) Your friends alt was banned because he most likely transfered items to his alternate account.
2) You can be labeled hackers or exploiters. Either way would get you banned anyway. If you prefer exploiters, then fine, you're exploiters.
Apparently, to get it started, a few people likely hacked the game, after which other people could be ferried, which would make at least some people of the 117 hackers.
3) If you didn't do it for the money, then why the hell did you keep on doing it without telling anyone?
4) As for apologies, why the hell do you think ANet ows YOU one? You exploited their game.

Juno Onuj · Jan 12, 2008, 05:31 PM // 17:31

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Originally Posted by HuntMaster Avatar

it is when they are at home, off work, selling 60,000 ectos or super pwning in pvp with their "Secret" characters. no one can compete with anet staff characters. they will always be number 1 no matter what.

How many times have you seen this? Cause I never have...

free_fall · Jan 12, 2008, 05:33 PM // 17:33

"But to take away something from them they paid real money for? Nonsense.
Playing Guild Wars is not a PRIVELGE to the players. They paid for it in cash."

Excuse me, but that is absolutely incorrect.

privilege -
3. a grant to an individual, corporation, etc., of a special right or immunity, under certain conditions.
6. an advantage or source of pleasure granted to a person: It's my privilege to be here.

Why you pay money for a GW campaign, you are not "buying" the game - the "game" belongs to Anet. You are merely purchasing an access key which grants you the "privilege" of playing their game, subject to certain conditions (as outlined in the EULA).

If you violate those conditions, Anet has every right to revoke your privilege to play their game.

When you go to a movie theatre and purchase a ticket to see a film, you are not "buying" the theatre or the movie - you are paying for the "privilege" of viewing the film. If you are loud and disruptive during the screening, so as to disturb the other patrons' enjoyment of the film, the theatre management has every right to expel you from the premises.

Bryant Again · Jan 12, 2008, 05:33 PM // 17:33

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Originally Posted by HuntMaster Avatar

it is when they are at home, off work, selling 60,000 ectos or super pwning in pvp with their "Secret" characters. no one can compete with anet staff characters. they will always be number 1 no matter what.

I think anyone with any sense at ANet would not do anything like that.

And how would they "super pwn" in PvP? With maxed out gear that's easily achievable by everyone?

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Originally Posted by free_fall

"But to take away something from them they paid real money for? Nonsense.
Playing Guild Wars is not a PRIVELGE to the players. They paid for it in cash."

Excuse me, but that is absolutely incorrect.

privilege -
3. a grant to an individual, corporation, etc., of a special right or immunity, under certain conditions.
6. an advantage or source of pleasure granted to a person: It's my privilege to be here.

Why you pay money for a GW campaign, you are not "buying" the game - the "game" belongs to Anet. You are merely purchasing an access key which grants you the "privilege" of playing their game, subject to certain conditions (as outlined in the EULA).

If you violate those conditions, Anet has every right to revoke your privilege to play their game.

When you go to a movie theatre and purchase a ticket to see a film, you are not "buying" the theatre or the movie - you are paying for the "privilege" of viewing the film. If you are loud and disruptive during the screening, so as to disturb the other patrons' enjoyment of the film, the theatre management has every right to expel you from the premises.

Entirely true. People can disagree with it, sure, but it's kinda hard to do when they've already clicked the "I Agree" button. I guess read before you leap.

HuntMaster Avatar · Jan 12, 2008, 05:34 PM // 17:34

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Originally Posted by Juno Onuj

How many times have you seen this? Cause I never have...

and you never will. they won't come out and say who they are. and no one says they have 60,000 ectos, they just sell ectos for 4.5k everyday they are on. you will never know if they do this or not, but with these "Special areas for staff members only" it is completely possible.

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

I think anyone with any sense at ANet would not do anything like that.

And how would they "super pwn" in PvP? With maxed out gear that's easily achievable by everyone?

they could very easily have better inherant bonuses or higher dmg that goes unnoticed by normal people. they can program anything into the game.

seut · Jan 12, 2008, 05:36 PM // 17:36

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Originally Posted by HuntMaster Avatar

sounds like anet keeps short cuts for their own personal gain. they probably never have to work as hard as normal players do.

as far as i understand pablo24, such hidden outposts are needed for the way Anet has implemented starting missions through NPCs..
not for selfish farming possibilities and not removable without breaking the game

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Originally Posted by HuntMaster Avatar

and you never will. they won't come out and say who they are. and no one says they have 60,000 ectos, they just sell ectos for 4.5k everyday they are on. you will never know if they do this or not, but with these "Special areas for staff members only" it is completely possible.

they could very easily have better inherant bonuses or higher dmg that goes unnoticed by normal people. they can program anything into the game.

if the devs are really evil and selfish..why going for so much effort and create special outposts, when they could easily edit their own character stats/inventory in the database with a few keystroke?

Bryant Again · Jan 12, 2008, 05:37 PM // 17:37

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Originally Posted by HuntMaster Avatar

they could very easily have better inherant bonuses or higher dmg that goes unnoticed by normal people. they can program anything into the game.

...And you think they would intentionally damage their own game, easily compromising the trust of the playerbase, which includes everyone from you and me to IGN and other game sites, and thus losing sales?????

HuntMaster Avatar · Jan 12, 2008, 05:39 PM // 17:39

lol as i said, they could. i never said they did. and if they are not caught then their is no problem with trust. to proove my point people are acting like i am out of my mind to even think something like this.

Ducks out and avoids the fanboy linch mob.

edit.
thanks mods, went a bit crazy in here.

i said they could not they are doing so. please learn to read.

also didnt mean to derail the topic.

Bryant Again · Jan 12, 2008, 05:41 PM // 17:41

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Originally Posted by HuntMaster Avatar

lol as i said, they could. i never said they did. and if they are not caught then their is no problem with trust. to proove my point people are acting like i am out of my mind to even think something like this.

"They could" is not the same as "they do", and I highly highly doubt they would.

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Originally Posted by HuntMaster Avatar

Ducks out and avoids the logical linch mob.

Fix'd?

Dr Strangelove · Jan 12, 2008, 05:41 PM // 17:41

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Originally Posted by HuntMaster Avatar

it is when they are at home, off work, selling 60,000 ectos or super pwning in pvp with their "Secret" characters. no one can compete with anet staff characters. they will always be number 1 no matter what.

That's some pretty insane conspiracy theories. You realize no one from Anet has ever won a championship, right? If they're cheating, they're really, really bad at it.

Also, look! Bryant joined the thread! He's been wrongly banned going on 48,000 times now, yet I have never seen a massive whining thread from him. He's literate and intelligent. As a result, most of us believe he didn't do anything wrong.

By contrast, most of these people have been screaming bloody murder on the forums for a few days now, changing their story every couple pages, and trying to split hairs about their ban and whether they really deserved it. From this thread, it seems pretty much everyone thinks you had it coming.

CountAristotle · Jan 12, 2008, 05:42 PM // 17:42

This has been good fun and all, but really, it is pointless. For my fellow oddly hated, fairly misrepresented 117 members: hope you all take care, in and out of the gaming experience. The ban for many was grossly mishandled by A-Net who were looking to save face, only to throw the pie into their own.

As for the many A-Net devotees, it's all good. Go ahead, take a sip, drink the Flavor Aid that A-Net has offered you. Heck, has to be good and pure right? I mean, look at how well it worked in Jonestown.

Count
-Peace.

Trub · Jan 12, 2008, 05:48 PM // 17:48

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You want to know how little they actually know about what is going on? They have sent private messages to some of us 117 asking us about how we did this. This is, of course, after receiving emails from support saying logs have been rigorously reviewed and they know exactly what we did, and how many times we did it. Seems rather contradictory on their part. If you know what we did and how often we did it so well, why are you having to ask us how to use this glitch?

This disturbs me, because you are stating to be an educator of our children. ANet appears to be in tracking mode for the original person that 'monkeyed' with the client side, this request from them is reasonable.Let's face it, many of the '117' have already confessed to knowing that 'a friend' had been the 'first one' to enter this Dev area. All information gathered from these communications may actualy fly in your favor, if the truth is forthcoming. The fact still stands: This is a SEVERE breach of the game, and I'm sorry...stating "me and my friends only ran it a few times for kicks" isn't going to go well for those that were banned.

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A close friend of mine who had a character on an alternate account saved to the town, that never even did the mission once, had their account banned. So what is this lie about you must have done the mission at least 4 times for it to result in a ban?

Why would your 'close friend' keep an account saved in that town? Who told him/her that he/she had to do that? To ferry more? I just can't accept the fact that all these players are stating that it was a glitch, anybody can do it, ....Oh, but you have to have some toons parked there for a while?.I applaude the OP for coming forward and putting light onto this problem, as more of the original 117 banned gamers come forward...some of the pieces are falling into place. I wiil reserve my final analogy until we have a formal announcement from Gaile.
Please, anyone that has valid information...post it here.
We are just gamers, and read these forums for information.
We cannot unban you, we will not attempt your 'glitch.'
So please stop asking ANet to unban you to 'show' them how it is done, Gaile has made her statements to everyone as to what information the programming team has found. We will not know what steps were taken to close this exploit until a formal announcement is made by the owners of this game ANet.
NCsoft made the game we love.
ANet allows you to play that game you bought on THEIR servers.
ANet has every right to make all decisions as to what actions they wish to take on accounts they deem as breaking the rules.
Read the EULA.
Fear the EULA.
IT IS THE GAMERS BOOK OF LAW>
ANet owns all rights to GuildWars...we do not.

dracolord · Jan 12, 2008, 06:04 PM // 18:04

Well, i also agree with the bans.

First of all, getting to mallyx normally takes 1.5-2 hours? And you have to finish all the areas of DoA...

Correct me if i'm wrong, but if someone took me somewhere where i could reach mallyx in 5 mins... i'd be a little suspicious. Better yet.... ITS NOT EVEN ON YOUR MAP!!! When you normally fight mallyx, you should have a map, but from what ive heard, you didnt have a map... Sounds fishy to me.

If i had gone to that outpost, I'd have at least looked for information about it TO MAKE SURE IT WAS NOT AGAINST THE EULA. And for all you asking for a warning, did you even READ what gaile posted?

lishi · Jan 12, 2008, 06:30 PM // 18:30

anyone saying the didnt got a clue are lying or lying to themself.

if you didnt noticed anything suspicious about it then you choose to not notice and keep farming hoping you could get away with it

Messy · Jan 12, 2008, 06:45 PM // 18:45

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Originally Posted by ProgTes

I'm sorry for the mess I have created. The best thing probably would have been to sent an email to A-net directly, but I didn't think of it at the moment. I don't know why I brought this up here, maybe I thought it was the right thing to do- it clearly wasn't and I've learned my lesson. To all who I insulted, I was angry and frustrated, and I apologize.

Everything that can be said has been said in my opinion. And to whoever said this a few pages a go, no I don't feel like a hero. I feel like a complete idiot and if I could turn it back I would, believe me.

To the people who got banned: good riddance. You shouldn't have used the exploit, end of story.

You did the right thing, and most of the GW community is glad you did.

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Originally Posted by Puritans Aid

I didnt know I was doing something wrong, and If i had i wouldnt have done it.
I am sorry guild wars/ A NET feels the right solution is to ban anyone who has ever set foot in some town, that people can glitch into, as has been admited.

not for setting foot once... but more like a whole bunch of times. I don't believe you didn't know you were not doing something wrong, but in any event, ignorance is not excuse for breaking the rules.

You guys cheated and got caught. You come here crying looking for comfort and support.... but please understand that is just not going to happen.
If you only went there accidentally, you know what to do. If you went there accidentally more than 4 times... well... I think you are done.

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Originally Posted by Puritans Aid

I am NOT sorry I got caught playing and enjoying the game. I AM SORRY that the guild wars community, and you, think I cheated/ hacked.etc

but that's what you did, you cheated.

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Originally Posted by SurrealFi

The general opinion (with a few exceptions) seems to be:
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Permanent ban the ones who used the hack to gain access to this "non existent outpost", remove completly or change the ban to a 300 hours one for the accounts who got brought in there and used the exploit - but didnt use the hack themselves to gain entrance.
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Two of my friends went there once, they didnt get banned.
One of my friends went there once, or he was dragged along, and got banned.
Two of my other friends also went there not once, but twice (and only killed the big boss once, mind you) and got a permanent ban.

I dont see a pattern. =)

Actually I think the general opinion is = Good Riddance.

The pattern I see is a lot of denial and some serious counting problems. Several players claimed they only went in once, well no twice, ok wait I think 4 times... and it turns out it was quite a few more. At first I felt sympathy for those that got caught in this mess having been there 1-2 times and hoped ANET would look into it. They did... and well, these guys were not being very truthful. So aside from cheating, they were lying. No sympathy here.

If some of your friends went in there only ONCE or TWICE and got banned, have NO doubt they will give them their accounts back. ANET has logs of how many times these guys entered, chat logs as well. No photoshoping there. I am not saying your friends are lying to you, but maybe the are minimizing the number of times they went there. Maybe not. Have them contact support and keep fighting.

@ Sonata.... excellent idea for reporting glitches!!!excellent idea for reporting

leprekan · Jan 12, 2008, 06:45 PM // 18:45

Eventually, if Anet is honest they will admit there was nothing more sinister than a ferry used to farm Mallyx. They have been told step by step how to do it .. sadly there was VERY FEW steps to setup a ferry. No hacking no sinister plots .. just a ferry. The 117 were just tacked to the cross when the exact same type of ferry (duncan zone anywhere etc) was never a bannable offense .. till now.

Those posting their opinion when it is uninformed .. please consider keeping it till this is resolved. Anet closes the tickets sent to support on this topic which leaves us limited options for contacting them. Your flames and random post fluffing are not helping the situation. Will we be unbanned? Most likely not. Many of us would just like the truth to be told.